It was estimated that Dalkowski's fastball at times reached 105 mph. "He's (Stu Miller) got a fastball you could catch in your teeth. Modern pitchers however exert themselves on every pitch. The fastest official speed is 98.6 mph, but there are those who believe he once threw a ball 107.9 mph during a demonstration. Pitchers were not included in yesterday's test but "unofficially," Bob Feller of Cleveland threw three balls into the meter from a distance of 20 feet. What was a 105 mph fastball can now be said (with rounding) to be the first recorded 106 mph pitch in MLB history. Carlton might be the pitcher most responsible for making the strikeout fashionable inMLB. He topped 100 Ks in his first full season as the Los Angeles closer and regularly reached triple-digits. Giving a mediocre pitch to a mediocre hitter was acceptable strategy. His 10.0 SO/9 IP during his career would be fourth all-time if the righty threw more innings. Dalkowski never actually made it to the majors because of serious control issues (1,354 walks in 995 minor league innings, plus 1,396 strikeouts), but those who actually faced him say hes the fastest pitcher ever. He walked 21 in one minor league game and struck out 21 in another. . Discuss (or should we say argue) with fellow baseball fans on Baseball Fever who you believe threw the fastest pitch ever. Today it will test the salary wings of Bob Feller, and any other members of the Cleveland and Boston American loop clubs who are willing. It measured velocity closer to the pitchers release point than the JUGS gun, so the JUGS flipped to being the slow gun. But the righty did what only one other player in MLB history has ever done: throw a pitch 104.8 mph. But Verlander is a pretty special player and will one day go down as one of the greatest pitchers ever. How fast can a baseball pitcher throw? He pitched 371.1 innings. He was not physically as strong as some others, but he had long, tapering fingers and a peculiar whip to his arm that certainly drove that baseball through the air." Feller was sitting at 25. The 65 lefty was a true strikeout artist during his heyday, leading his league in Ks five times and twice topping 300. The results of the test from the "new meter" were reported the day after the initial article: Humphreys' 'Hard' Un' Faster Than Feller's, Meter Shows. "That was my best year," he told the Cleveland Plain Dealer in 2006. When a guy hits .358, he doesn't have slumps." Rogers Hornsby, 1961 These questions, and others like it, are some of the most commonly asked items here on Baseball Almanac. Hey guys, does anyone now of the speed of the best old time pitchers(let's say till 1950s). Gerrit Cole's approach bringing Cy Young results, Mookie Betts vs. Bryce Harper -- and other pressing baseball debates, Real or not? The moment a baseball leaves a pitchers hand, it starts to slow down because of drag. Their speeds were shown by a gravity drop interval recorder. Since machine testing was rare and uncommon we are left with a scientific void about historical flamethrowers. Heres a look at how the last 15 No. Paige struck out a Negro League record 176 batters in 1929 and then set the single-game record by striking out 17 hitters on April 29 and then 18 hitters less than a week later. Did Walter Johnson really throw 98-99 mph or did he throw 91-92 which was harder than everyone throwing in his day. Goodens 2,293 career strikeouts are just 46thall-time, but 1,875 of them came in his 11 seasons as a New York Met. It was common for pitchers to "coast" until a runner got into scoring position. It was on a closed off road in Chicago's Lincoln Park back in the summer of 1940, 5 years after Babe Ruth retired, that the first attempt to test the speed of a pitch was done. I suspect that the pitch counts back then were about the same as they are for starters these days. His story is not particularly well known outside of Houston, but Richards promising career as a starter came to an end at the age of 30 because of a life-threatening stroke. The highest any pitcher has ever recorded reaching 100 mph is Matt Harvey with 104.8 mph (2009). An official reading is unavailable because Dalkowski pitched in the 1950s and 1960s, but some have estimated his fastball could reach 105 mph. Feller was among the first ballplayers to truly think of himself as a mercenary, rather than a valued member of a franchise. In 1940, the Hall of Fame right-hander threw the only Opening Day no-hitter in MLB history. "You can't hit what you can't see." There have been three periods in baseball history when workloads for starting pitchers declined noticeably: 1) In the 1890s when the pitchers were pushed back to 60 feet, 6 inches; 2) In the early 1920s when the lively ball came out; and 3) In the 1990s when pitch counts became all the rage. But Major League Baseball now registers that pitch as a 105.8 mph fastball. They are also some of the most widely debated by historians, researchers & experts alike. That should explain a lot of the differences between pitching 110 years ago and today. Feliz's fastball was once clocked at 103.4 mph during a game at Rangers Ballpark, a speed that is third all-time behind only Aroldis Chapman (105.1 mph) and Joel Zumaya (104.8 mph). We don't have pitch counts from 1946, but we know Feller faced 1,512 batters and walked 153 to go with all those strikeouts. Hes a lock to reach 3,000 if he stays healthy, and at 28 years old, he may just be getting better. Throwing the ball 90+ MPH is not a rare event at the upper levels of the game. Took place during a no hitter. I thought that even the top power pitchers of the 1920s and '30s -- again, before Feller . For one thing, if Feller threw that hard, or something close to it, I think that would be reflected more in the numbers. In any event, I think that it is a combination of all these factors. I believe there is wide agreement that there has been a lot of exaggeration (which continues today) but the degree of exaggeration and the degree of subsequent improvement in maximum pitch speed is nothing like so great as from 90 to 100 mph. He went after hitters and didnt give them an inch of room at the plate. Originally Published: February 2003 on Baseball Almanac. The average speed of a fastball in the MLB is. Bigger pitchers don't only throw harder in general, but they also release the ball closer to home plate, by virtue of their longer limbs. I woudl suggest that it is in fact simply that they let the pitchers pitch so much back then. His pitch speed was 108.1 miles per hour. He went 26-15 with a 2.18 ERA and 348 strikeouts, but that's not even the fun stuff. The moment a baseball leaves a pitcher's hand, it starts to slow down because of drag. Once again, it made it a lot less dangerous to make a bad pitch. Major League Baseball does not recognize radar speeds as an official statistic. Maloney, also blunt, replied, "%*$@ you." It all comes down to where the pitch is measured. In baseball, the dead-ball era was the period from around 1900 to the emergence of Babe Ruth as a power hitter in 1919, when he hit a then-major league record 29 home runs; only three players since 1890 had even hit 20. Now, his fastball is usually in the high 80's. . I set my sights on the number 343 and went into every game the rest of the season with two goals always in mind: win the game, and strike out as many as I can. Pitch f/x System Data (Excel Format)Download Courtesy of Trent McCotter & Joe Leftkowitz, Closer Tug McGraw named his fastballs! I wound up and gave it all I had. Copyright 2023 Baseball America Enterprises. Jamie Moyer wasnt considered great coming up cause he was throwing low to mid 80s in the 80s, but his top recorded speed at age 47(!?!) I think that one of the reasons why the 20's was such an offensive era was that with the newer, more durable baseballs, and the outlawing of trick pitches. This speed was measured using a radar gun and a high-speed camera. It wasn't exactly Chuck Yeager breaking the sound barrier, but it was a remarkable achievement. One such pitcher was Hal Newhouser of the Louisville Colonels. Just inside is a set of photo-electric tubes, and five feet back is another set. During his eight-year retirement, Ryan worked as a baseball analyst for NBC Sports and as a consultant for the Texas Rangers. Ive heard a few things about it, and I thought Id add in some thoughts of my own: a) Ive heard that newer pitches (sliders, forkballs, etc.) The AL East is setting up as a race for the ages, Albert Pujols' push for 3,000 powered by dominant decade, 'Ich-i-ro! - Joe Tinker talking about Rube Marquard. Fans, researchers, historians and even the players argue all the time about who was the fastest pitcher of all-time. Now, youre expected to throw your best the entire game. Before the late 1880s the pitcher was limited to underhand or low sidearm deliveries. We finished in the second division, 18 games below .500 in sixth place. Satchel Paige, who could bring on the heat himself, believed Feller was the fastest and told teammates, "If anybody threw that ball any harder than Rapid Robert, then the human eye couldn't follow it." Hernandez is on pace for his third consecutive season of at least 200 Ks, and his strikeout rate is at a career-high 8.5 SO/9 this season. Realistically low to mid 80s. Feller has also written that he slipped from the mound in a June 13, 1947 game against Philadelphia and injured his back, saying his fastball was never the same after that. There seems little doubt that Feller had one of the hardest fastballs of all time. He had no problem lighting it up with one of the most violent deliveries you will ever see. But maybe he did. The Speedgun, developed by Decatur Technologies (a long-time maker of police radar guns) measured closer to the plate than the JUGS gun. [volume] (Detroit, Mich.) 1903-1920, September 28, 1915, AFTERNOON EDITION, Page PAGE SIX, Image 6, brought to you by Central Michigan University, Clark Historical Library, and the National Digital Newspaper Program. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Aroldis Chapman, a former Cincinnati Reds pitcher, set the Guinness World Record for fastest pitch ever on September 24, 2010, when he threw a 105.1-mph fastball against the San Diego Padres. 105.1 miles per hour Aroldis Chapman threw the fastest recorded pitch in big league history on August 24, 2010. Then Stalker came out with its Pro Sports radar gun in the early 1990s. Whichever is accurate, Feller absolutely dominated hitters during his time. Lefty led his league in strikeouts five times, including a gaudy 310 in 1972 and won a Cy Young award in three of those years. Johnson was capable of throwing 99, but how often did he need to throw that hard? Others who claimed he was the fastest ever were Paul Richards, Harry Brecheen and Earl Weaver. Power is only part of the pitching equation, and Ryan scores higher than anybody else in MLB history. As for other hard numbers for those days: two hours and 15 minutes was considered an ordinary game back then. Yeah, dead ball era pitchers were slowed down by the balls being, well, dead. Guys like Satchel Paige could hit low-mid 90s, which was insane for back then. He finished with 4,196 in his career, good for fourth all-time and second among left-handers. Zumayas name tends to be forgotten in discussions about baseballs hardest throwers because he hasnt pitched in a game all season and has been injury prone for five years. After nine years of erratic pitching he was released in 1966, never having made it to the Major Leagues. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. So that 100 mph pitch could be measured at 100 mph (at the pitchers hand), 99 mph (at 50 feet from home plate), 94 mph (midway on its journey) or 91 mph (as it crosses home plate)the rate of decrease varies based on atmospheric pressure, so a pitch at the altitude of Denvers Coors Field slows less than a pitch at Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg, Fla. (Amos Rusie in 1893). He pitched 79 innings that month and started seven of Cleveland's final 17 games. Baseball owed much of its origin to cricket, and one of the game's first codified sets of rules -- the Knickerbocker rules, drafted in 1845 for New York's Knickerbocker baseball club -- speak to those roots: "The ball must be pitched, not thrown, for the bat." "Pitched", in the . Document Creator: Sean Holtz of Baseball Almanac, Inc. 2003-2005. One more factor: the hitters. I think it was pitcher Phil Hughes who commented on a Whitey Ford video on twitter, and said he was throwing 80 mph. As long as hitters kept missing it, I was going to keep throwing it. Mathewson et al. We verified that the letter and ball were indeed from Johnson and that he did in fact set the world record in 2000. The next season, Newhouser went 11-10 with a 3.12 ERA in 29 games (all starts).if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'sportsmanist_com-medrectangle-3','ezslot_1',118,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-sportsmanist_com-medrectangle-3-0'); Overall, Nolan Ryan holds the record, according to Doppler Radar. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, The subreddit for the bat-and-ball sport played between two teams of nine players. Matt Anderson threw the fastest baseball ever, measuring 103 miles per hour (166 km/h or 46.0 m/s). Of course, you could have pitchers throw 350 innings a year now, too. Even though both were clocked rather crudely, their measurements would extrapolate to over 100 mph on a modern radar gun. Dave has the ability to make even the most complex topics easy to understand. Score had another big strikeout year in 1956. He was supposed to throw the ball from the outfield wall to home plate, but he threw it well above the plate into the press box. But maybe its time to pay more attention to the guy who always played in Bob Fellers shadow. In a game against the Detroit Tigers on August 20, 1974, the then-Angels . No, pitchers didn't throw 150 miles an hour. Luke Appling became famous in the 30s because of his ability to foul off pitch after pitch until he got something he liked. update=copyright.getFullYear(); Oh, that's not what we were talking about? He was an ace, struck out 1900+ guys. Over the course of the past decade, Chapmans fastest fastball had gotten faster by nearly a mile per hour. Why do infielders throw the ball so fast? Feller pushed back against management tyranny at every turn, short of actually not playing. Walter Johnson was reportedly measured at 99.7 MPH at the Army's Aberdeen Proving Grounds, where they could measure the speed of bullets. Who was the fastest pitcher in baseball history? How fast does a pitcher usually throw? Other American League clubs will be given a chance at it later. So pitchers weren't up there trying to blow anyone away like they are now. According to University of Illinois physicist Dr. Alan Nathan, a pitch that leaves a pitcher's hand at 100. During the 1999 baseball season, this moment was recorded. During spring training in 1964, Dalkowski was with the Major League club. The Fastest Pitcher in Baseball by Baseball Almanac 2003-2007. And that makes the 100 mph pitches Nolan Ryan threw in 1974 (as measured by Rockwell laser/radar instruments relatively close to the plate) even more remarkable today. Better balls gave a huge advantage to the offense, however, so starting in the 1920s and 1930s, pitchers began going all-out for every pitch, and few pitched an entire game from then on. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. His rate did decline even more the rest of that season, however. He even saved four games for good measure. For scouts, the Speedgun was known as the slow gun while the JUGS gun registered faster readings and was the fast gun.. He was once clocked at 101 mph in 2009 and is capable of throwing in the upper 90s late in the game. I had two or three different kinds of curve balls and a lot of confidence in each of them. Other fast pitchers have included Carl Hubbell, Jack Quinn, and Roy Halladay. Could a 108 mph fastball soon be in the future? "Rising velocity is just an evolution in the game . - Ford Frick, "Smokey Joe (Williams) could throw harder than all of them." For a while speeds were measured about 5 feet in front of the plate, then then they were measured by averaging the speed out of the hand and when it crossed the plate, pitch f/x measured speeds at 55 feet from home, finally statcast now presents speeds out of the hand. David Roark is a passionate and knowledgeable individual when it comes to sports. All rights reserved. "You should see the scouts, " said Braves speed gun handler Jim Guadagno, "They're like kids with new toys when they see that 100 light up on their guns. However, Major League Baseball officially considers that pitch to be a 105.8 mph fastball. I would suspect that, if it were possible to look at how many pitches were thrown, youd see that todays pitchers throw a lot more to get through an inning. Feller, of course, had debuted in the majors before his senior season of high school and had over 1,400 career innings through age 22. MLB has gone back and recalibrated Pitch/FX pitches to convert them to their velocity at pitch release. The top fastallers might have topped out at 85 mph or so, anyway. Real or Not? They had to figure out a new and "cleaner" way of pitching. He was loyal to the Indians, but only because they paid him. A "radar gun" is used to measure the speed of a baseball. Cleveland men who developed the speed meter said the only comparable scientific marks were made in 1917. Baseball buffs: how did old-time pitchers throw for so many innings? Nobody really knows, but we do hope this article has shed some light on the topic and at least provided you with additional material to argue with your friends about. Stories about the fastest pitchers in history have also appeared in the Associated Press. . Greg madux would only pump 90+ in later innings to throw hitters off. Live balls gave birth to Babe Ruth and subsequent homer-blasters. Cookie Notice This list honors the latter group, the pitchers who lit up the radar guns with blazing fastballs that were tough to see and even tougher to hit. Hes still considered one of the best to ever throw a baseball, and its estimated his fastball could reach 100 mph. Nolan Ryan led the league in strikeouts seven times. I was never afraid to throw my curve when I was behind in the count, 2 and 0 or 3 and 1, or even late in a pressure situation. According to University of Illinois physicist Dr. Alan Nathan, a pitch that leaves a pitchers hand at 100 mph will (at sea level) slow down by 9 to 10% by the time it crosses the plate some 55-58 feet later. Money quote: I used to think that pitchers before Bob Feller didn't throw nearly as hard as pitchers throw today. So Feller started on Sept. 19, Sept. 22, Sept, 25, pitched five innings of relief on Sept. 27 and then started the season finale on Sept. 29, tied with Waddell at 343 strikeouts. Its believed he could throw upwards of 100 mph. 10 More answers below Mike Burch Poet, Editor and Publisher Author has 11.6K answers and 25.2M answer views Oct 28 Related Pitchers were supposed to pitch to contact and let their fielders do the work - that's that they're back there for. They probably couldve done a lot harder throwing if they wanted to. Feller once mentioned that he was clocked at 104 mph at Lincoln Park in Chicago. He was clocked as high as 103 mph before extreme wildness ended his career prematurely. A modern radar gun measures the pitch either out of the hand or ten feet away from the pitcher, depending on the gunmost measurements all the way up to the 1980's would measure a pitcher about 60 feet from his hand (although I believe Walter Johnson was clocked 25 or 30 feet away from his hand). Pitchers back then (deadball era) were expected to throw complete games and had to pace themselves. . Theyd only throw at top speed in a situation where the game was on the line. 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