And those of us who see the logical cause and effect of Calvinism-to-abuse are against Calvinism because we dont WANT the powers that be to be the power any more. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. In my mind its all about power. My hubby got his first spiritual stirrings while watching a live performance of, Jesus Christ Superstar. They are the ones who preach and teach and write as if five point "TULIP" Calvinism is part of the gospel itself and anyone who does not believe in it is only "almost Christian" or "Christian,. We each probably believe that the venue we hold to is the best and most accurate. As for the double predestination, I wouldnt agree with either position youve posted but that is no surprise, as Im a non Calvinist. Jesus wept. If they use their beliefs to beat people over the head, they are obviously jerks. For example, the word total in Total Depravity is an absolutethere is no such rational idea as partly total, which is what some Calvinists want to say when they declare that humans are not as bad as they could beas if this matters in the dualistic Calvinist paradigm: God is Good, and youare not. Here is a quick bio on Olson from Wikipedia. All the water in the glass was tainted with a bit of black dye, but it was not pure black and saturated with the dye. Julie Anne: They want pure milk easy to digest, soothing, warms their tummy, meets their needs, gives comfort, nourishes them and helps them grow. And later, mamas milkexactly what they need at the precise time they need it., Nick: Some, myself included, who spent years in controlling and abusive churches would say that to be infantilised is the last thing we need.. which many people hold as dear as religion and political beliefs. I understand its maddening to shoot at a moving target. Anyway, as far as it depends on me, I really do want to be peaceful and avoid even the appearance of allegiance to anyone other than Christ Jesus, my Lord and Savior. I disagree. If I am doing good by sowing good wheat kernels and not tares, why would the Almighty want to stop me? Can we not make allowance for Gods ways to be different from ours? But those of us who are labeled as misconstrue-ers of Calvinism are simply pointing out the logical flaws in their arguments. No, not a few verses, and not Calvin, but what Scripture says consistently about election, predestination, Gods omniscience and omnipotence, Gods love, etc.? We are glad that you do. The seeds of justification by doctrine were sown a long time ago. Online, of course, its much harder to gauge actually, impossible, since you have no idea who is reading what youre writing. Maybe Im wrong on that. 16th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians, 17th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians, 18th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians, 19th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians, 20th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians, 21st-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians, 12th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians, 13th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians, 14th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians, 15th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians, 16th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians, 17th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians, 18th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians, 19th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians, 20th-century Eastern Orthodox theologians, 21st-century Eastern Orthodox theologians, Roman Catholic theologians by nationality, List of Catholic philosophers and theologians, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lists_of_Christian_theologians&oldid=1083295880, Lists of theologians and religious studies scholars, Short description is different from Wikidata, Pages using sidebar with the child parameter, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, Eastern Orthodox theologians by nationality, This page was last edited on 18 April 2022, at 03:54. The volumes below reflect Baptist beliefs and convictions, yet non-Baptists read many of these well-reviewed volumes as well. Though its not nearly as esoteric and egghead as supralapsarianism vs. infralapsarianism. But there are reasons not to make it an issue. It is used to define gender roles, the age of the earth, eschatology, and election. My bet would be that some (many?) Your voice is missing! The Bible says they are. No one is trying to convince him otherwise. Is not the whole batch totally leavened regardless of the amount of yeast? I pretty much agree with everything JeffB says here. We are. In other words, there are plenty of people who are not part of this movement. It must start somewhere and with those who are willing to give up their cherished arguments for the sake of something better. CALVIN! As some of you know, I have been through my share of abuse, not nearly as graphic and terrible as some, but enough to leave its scars. Especially the statements above. I didnt say we should be satisfied with the milk of the word. We might refer instead to TULIP as a doctrinal stance. Do arminians believe in salvation through faith? Questions should be addressed to the male authority in ones life., 4) Christ died NOT for us, but to bring glory to the Father. Seconding Numo, there are seats left at my table. I have read extensively within the Calvinist system by approved authors including Calvin, himself, Grudem, Sproul, Piper, etc. Man is unable to save himself and, therefore, God must initiate salvation. But are *we* the measure of truth? They probably have read other books about Calvin doctrines, but never the original. Ann. But please consider what it sounds like to those of us who disagree. Never mind those 2400+ pages of Perfectly-Parsed Theology also stem from the same base assumptions about God as Mohammed that Gods Omnipotent Will overrides everything else about God, never mind physical reality. Nicholas what a great link. I dont know that any of the venues get one closer to God than the others. Weve all been taught by people with various frameworks- that isnt bad. How to Resign from a Church I dont want to speak out of turn here, but I wonder if the word calvinist should be banned, like the word bitter, due to the frequency with which it is taken out of context and/or the extent to which it means different things to different people. Since so many Calvinists believe everything in this life is decreed, it would mean that God decreed you to write/create this blog from before the foundations of the world, so how can they object to you doing so? God does indeed work in mysterious and wonderful ways. They want pure milk easy to digest, soothing, warms their tummy, meets their needs, gives comfort, nourishes them and helps them grow. You can only use Bible verses." There were many songs that resonated with me, especially I Dont Know How to Love Him. for me that meant there was much i had to learn about loving Jesus. By accurate, I mean that its the definition of the term when it came into being. I have the utmost respect for my long-time regular reader and pastor who happens to be Calvinist, Craig Vick, who posted the following comment on my blog article where I was struggling with the doctrinal/abuse confusion: For what its worth, from now on Ill make sure I think of your story and the stories of others before I express my theology. He said I was wrong. which is really funny because in my experience, the Lutheran church never ever mentions either of those things. Toward that end, here are five Baptist theologians from the past I commend as must reading for every Baptist pastor. I dont think so, but Im pretty sure Spock was a Calvinist. It bothered me a whole lot (and she and I talked about it via email), but it also crystallized some things for me. In fact, I recently wrote a song about it- some of the lyrics (this song could be titled ode to John Piper and his views on Divorce and Remarriage, but I did not quite go that far): So many people with big ideas who have it all figured out I witnessed a weird detachment with this thinking, and people almost having to downplay love or relationship with others.. They are harmed by the teachings they sat under and then accused of misrepresentation when they blog about it. If we cant really know the fundamentals, then, who are we to disagree with Calvinists on the secondaries? Turn the other cheek when your salvation gets called into question. The Literature of the Old Testament (1913) [Chapter10], Jewish Theology Systematically and Historically Considered (1918) [Chapter7], Norman Geisler[footnote]Geisler refers to himself as a Calvinist but his works reflect a more non-Calvinist view of soteriology[/footnote]. For example onannihilationismhe commented that some evangelical theologians have "resurrected the old polemical labels of heresy and aberrational teaching" in order to marginalize other evangelicals holding the view (The mosaic of Christian belief, 2002). We often find it difficult to tolerate uncertainty, so we do anything to avoid that. This is fine too, and actually more pleasant for everyone. But something has changed in the last number of years. Calvinism may be cool right now, but it doesnt reflect the God I have known and loved for over 40 years. Bridget, would you mind documenting instances of this, if its not too much trouble, because I would be very interested in knowing if any of these people would make such a basic mistake about the concept of Total Depravity. But what I am hoping is that you, as well as me, can instead understand the objections so well that you can begin to understand why a few quotes from Calvin, along with a few Bible verses, do not answer the deeper questions. God sends rain on the just and the unjust. Ben Witherington III 24. If you define Calvinism that way, then I am certainly not a Calvinist, but neither is my church, the PCA, nor even was Calvin himself. The need to defend comes when a closely held belief is blamed for atrocities. Thanks for the recommendation. When I struggle with this, my answer is always to look at the Cross- it seems all theists must deal with a God who allows evil. And God obviously held back from rescuing me for reasons that I do not yet understand. In both cases, mans mind is wholly incapable of real understanding. I used to think I was too till I went to Bible College and studied it in more depth. If you read non-Calvinism is evil youd probably feel a desire to defend your viewpoint too. A secondary cause is always subservient to the primary cause, which is God. Below is an OP from 2006. I believe that I am endowed by my Creator with the power to put an end to the vast majority of human misery and suffering in this life It begins with me as a single drop in a vast ocean. Admittedly, Im not famous enough to have followers trying to define Bulbeckism.
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